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Ancient Aliens Theorists Reject Answers, Prefer Endless Theory | Joshua Free Part X

Thursday, December 22nd, 2011

Global Anunnaki authority, Joshua Free, speaks out on Ancient Aliens Theorists in “Part 10″ of a transcription series based on the dialogue from the live interview with Joshua Free conducted on Paranormal Palace Radio as hosted by Royce Holleman on November 15, 2011.

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(41:20)

Joshua Free (continued): By the time of the Babylonians you have for the first time a magical tradition among the people; you have people being able to conduct rituals on their own to petition the gods using, basically, Marduk’s usurpation of power. And so you have a new ‘vision’ of the pantheon. They are known sometimes as the Seven; it’s related to the Seven main ‘stages’ or ‘gates’ of the ziggurat in Babylon. There is a different way of perceiving the world then there was before. Of course, what that opens up the door for is further ‘fragmentations’ from that. And so, if it ‘can be done once’, then it ‘can be done again’, and so for thousands of years since we’ve seen evolving traditions and spirituality and ways of viewing things.

Each one in and of themselves – it seems to valid itself because it uses semantics or vocabulary to its own system so that it can make sense – but, all of humanity and all of civilization in that respect has a singular unifying source that becomes evolved from and branched out from the tree from, and I guess in the time frame that we have here on earth and what we are given, it has just made the most sense to me to go back to that.

So, I don’t really want to say that verbatim, I am reconstructing or personally adopting a revival of the Babylonian or Anunnaki religion as it once was, but rather ‘reconstructing’ what it actually was and reevaluating what I believe, what anyone, can perceive of their reality or beliefs about “religion” for lack of a better word.

(43:20)

I try to avoid the ‘religion’ topic. We started the group officially in 2008 as Mardukite Ministries, and unfortunately with the use of – we use the ankh and a lot of, you know, we talk about ‘religion’ a lot – it kind of makes it appear that I can’t separate between a ‘religion’ and a ‘science’ or a ‘mysticism’ or whatever, because they are all the same, they are just different words. “Religion” as a word raises a lot of flags with people, so I’ve tried to steer clear of that, but I think it does validate what people believe about their own – or that they could have a better understanding about their own – perception of religion.

Unfortunately, even just adopting the term ministries, you mentioned, of course, the “Ancient Aliens Theory”, and this is something that’s becoming increasingly popular because of the recent ‘History Channel’ show.

Royce Holleman: Yes.

Joshua Free: What actually kept me from being involved with that show is the adoption of, for example, the term ministries. They felt that I run an ‘alien cult’ and that we are not intellectual in this at all or pursuing it academically, they think we just are these ‘religious fanatics’ that are like ‘let us worship aliens’, and I’m just like ‘Wow!’, apparently I have not relayed my message clearly.

Royce: [laughs]

(45:00)

Joshua: It makes me stop to think, is that not what other people might also being thinking, which is preventing them from looking into the work we are doing.

We started publishing our materials not because we wanted to make a whole bunch of books but because we felt it necessary to begin cataloging as time went on. Originally they weren’t available to the public at all. For the first couple of years, if you weren’t pretty intimately involved, the you didn’t know that we were doing it. It has since expanded considerably, but even that, you mentioned that there were twenty or thirty books. It is important when people go to look at those that they pay carefully attention to the descriptions for the works, because a lot time what we would do is, during the course of the year there might be several manifestos that came out as they were developed that could be used to work through the year more easily…

Catch the complete transcript in the February 2012 issue of New Babylon Rising!

New Babylon Rising: Anunnaki, Alien Gods & Spiritual Traditions
A Modern Mardukite Monthly Magazine Book Literary Journal: Issue #2, February 2012
* Secrets of the Anunnaki Sky Gods Revealed on Sumerian Tablets,
* Delomelanicon: The True Story of the Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows,
* Ancient Aliens Theory: What has science in an uproar?,
* Merlyn’s School of Magick & Wizardry continues! Lesson Two inside!


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Sumerian Anunnaki, Babylonian Religion, Mesopotamian Magic | Joshua Free interview Part IX

Thursday, December 22nd, 2011

Have you ever wanted to chat with prolific writer and underground figure, Joshua Free? This is “Part 9″ of a transcription series based on the dialogue from the live interview with Joshua Free conducted on Paranormal Palace Radio as hosted by Royce Holleman on November 15, 2011.

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Sumerian Anunnaki Religion & Spirituality, Cuneiform Tablets & Babylonian Magick
an evening with Joshua Free
PART IX

(37:30)

Joshua Free (continued): It [the Enuma Elis] describes an ancient primordial dragon that rises from the ‘abyss’ that eventually gives birth to a race of gods. The gods further reproduce; several generations are described; and then it says that they ‘grew too noisy’. As a result there is a plot this dragon Tiamat has to destroy her children, the Anunnaki. Well, actually Anunnaki means ‘those who came down from heaven to earth’ and this is prior to them coming to earth, so it is the figures later referred to as Anunnaki. So the Anunnaki petition Marduk to fight on their behalf against the ‘ancient dragon’. And he says, ‘well, if I do all of this, you will have to make me king among you since none of you are going to do this.’ And according to the tablets they agree to this. He goes and slays the beast. This is where we get the version of ‘he slays it in half and uses the head to form the heavens and the body to form the earth’ of this therefore fragments existence to make possible a physical reality, rather than a purely ‘ethereal’ or ‘spiritual’ one.

This story is the basis of so many other ‘myths’ or ways of interpreting our creation ever since. From the universe is a dragon or slaying the dragon to show supremacy. These things all are very metaphorical. There are a lot of chronological – looking at the actual tablets academically – there are a lot of reasons why, even if we assume the history of the Anunnaki to be correct, there are a lot of reasons why this event, this dragon-slaying or war-in-heaven as it is relayed to us this way, did not take place. It’s more concerned with the politics of the Anunnaki and their life.

(40:00)

More importantly, it created a religious fragmentation that had never existed before. Prior to this in pre-Babylonian times you have a very simplistic Enlilite – just, things are the way they are, created to serve the gods and whatever they needed and we are kind of left to ourselves later with the kings put in place.

In Babylon you have the first alteration of that and separation where rather than a pantheon being observed the way it had been peacefully for so long – now you have Marduk appearing as the ‘King of the Gods’. It’s easy to sit back and think that these people are being dishonest, but all of the things that came from this; it is why all of the things in our world are the way they are today, for better or worse.

It’s bringing the knowledge and power and mysticism and access to spirituality down to the people. This is something unheard of before. Prior, people would go to the temples and the priests were the only ones who could petition to the Anunnaki on their behalf and bring the offerings to the temple where that deity was assumed to reside or frequently visit and a statue or representation was left in its stead.

(41:20)

By the time of the Babylonians you have for the first time a magical tradition among the people; you have people being able to conduct rituals on their own to petition the gods using, basically, Marduk’s usurpation of power. And so you have a new ‘vision’ of the pantheon. They are known sometimes as the Seven; it’s related to the Seven main ‘stages’ or ‘gates’ of the ziggurat in Babylon. There is a different way of perceiving the world then there was before. Of course, what that opens up the door for is further ‘fragmentations’ from that. And so, if it ‘can be done once’, then it ‘can be done again’, and so for thousands of years since we’ve seen evolving traditions and spirituality and ways of viewing things…

Catch the complete transcript in the February 2012 issue of New Babylon Rising!

New Babylon Rising: Anunnaki, Alien Gods & Spiritual Traditions
A Modern Mardukite Monthly Magazine Book Literary Journal: Issue #2, February 2012
* Secrets of the Anunnaki Sky Gods Revealed on Sumerian Tablets,
* Delomelanicon: The True Story of the Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows,
* Ancient Aliens Theory: What has science in an uproar?,
* Merlyn’s School of Magick & Wizardry continues! Lesson Two inside!


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Sumerian Anunnaki, Babylonian Magick & Religion | Joshua Free interview part VIII

Wednesday, December 21st, 2011

This is “Part 8″ of a a transcription series based on the dialogue from the live interview with Joshua Free conducted on Paranormal Palace Radio as hosted by Royce Holleman on November 15, 2011.

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Sumerian Anunnaki, Cuneiform Tablets & Babylonian Magick
an evening with Joshua Free
PART VIII

Joshua Free (continued): The organization that I run is called the Mardukites. That is tied into Babylon and the literary tradition that started there. But, even in saying that, to call Mardukites a religion or to say its my religion – well, it’s easy to do because it seems to fit that description or that way of understanding the world of religion, but it’s not necessarily based on, for example, a religious devotion toward Marduk.

(34:30)

What it does, is go back to the original meaning behind it and how religion was formed. So rather than adopt a specific religious ‘fragment’ or ‘sect’, it allows one to look at all of them and see how it came to be. It’s trying to operate outside of the semantics that ‘systems’ require for them to exist. As soon as we put a label on it, it immediately begins to conjure preexisting things to mind or be connected to preexisting things.

Mardukite was a word not well known prior. It appears in a few books by Zecharia Sitchin describing the factions in Babylon, but in our modern understanding, even in the “Ancient Alien Theory”, it was not yet really used. And so, my reason for adopting it was for that – it did not have already a pre-organized set of meanings applied to it. Of course, it does beg the question of, ‘okay, well, who is Marduk’? It would be the closest thing for me, but that is not to say its a religion or what I am – but it does help to clarify and validate the self-honest truth of people’s religious beliefs, wherever they are coming from; whatever background they have with that.

A lot of the beliefs do stem from this. And that actually goes back to what I was going to say earlier; is that these original tablets in Babylon where the cuneiform writing really got popular – it actually created the ‘oldest religious’ collection of knowledge that we have on the planet and it further influenced all of the rest.

The Epic of Creation, which is actually misappropriated as Sumerian – the Enuma Elis – it’s one of our most famous archetypal, its like embedded in consciousness, this story. It’s actually Babylonian, it isn’t a Sumerian story. It parallels some elements in Sumerian stories regarding the battling of a ‘great dragon’ to show supremacy over the universe. But, as it is given in the ‘seven tablets of creation’ or the ‘seven days of creation’ or so forth, which led to the Judeo-Christian Genesis, it is actually a Babylonian story used to elevate the position of Marduk above the gods.

(37:30)

It describes an ancient primordial dragon that rises from the ‘abyss’ that eventually gives birth to a race of gods. The gods further reproduce; several generations are described; and then it says that they ‘grew too noisy’. As a result there is a plot this dragon Tiamat has to destroy her children, the Anunnaki. Well, actually Anunnaki means ‘those who came down from heaven to earth’ and this is prior to them coming to earth, so it is the figures later referred to as Anunnaki. So the Anunnaki petition Marduk to fight on their behalf against the ‘ancient dragon’. And he says, ‘well, if I do all of this, you will have to make me king among you since none of you are going to do this.’ And according to the tablets they agree to this. He goes and slays the beast. This is where we get the version of ‘he slays it in half and uses the head to form the heavens and the body to form the earth’ of this therefore fragments existence to make possible a physical reality, rather than a purely ‘ethereal’ or ‘spiritual’ one…

Catch the complete transcript in the February 2012 issue of New Babylon Rising!

New Babylon Rising: Anunnaki, Alien Gods & Spiritual Traditions
A Modern Mardukite Monthly Magazine Book Literary Journal: Issue #2, February 2012
* Secrets of the Anunnaki Sky Gods Revealed on Sumerian Tablets,
* Delomelanicon: The True Story of the Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows,
* Ancient Aliens Theory: What has science in an uproar?,
* Merlyn’s School of Magick & Wizardry continues! Lesson Two inside!


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Anunnaki, Sumerian Religion, Babylonian Magick | Joshua Free interview PART VII

Monday, December 19th, 2011
This is “Part 7″ of a a transcription series based on the dialogue from the live interview with Joshua Free conducted on Paranormal Palace Radio as hosted by Royce Holleman on November 15, 2011.

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Sumerian Anunnaki, Cuneiform Tablets & Babylonian Magick
with Joshua Free
PART VII

(29:30)

Joshua Free (continued): It is interesting to interpret things now in terms of ‘monotheism’, because even in Babylon when that was attempted it was not truly ‘monotheism’. One of the younger generation of Anunnaki [Marduk], it was his time to rule – because this was all cyclical with them, based on what we would call the ‘zodiacal ages’ – but the time of Aries came and it was his time to rule. All of the politics and drama involved with the Anunnaki kept this from happening.

In spite of them, and our recollection of them as ‘gods’, they in themselves, the tablets report, that they had feuds among themselves regarding how things should be; decisions on how to deal with humanity and so forth. So, in the case of Babylon, you have the home of the first writing system. Marduk, who is the son of Enki, who is the son of Anu, and in most conventional Sumerian religion, Enki’s brother Enlil basically viewed as supreme by the Enlilites. It is the sons and daughters of Enlil that are given all of the attention.

(31:00)

Sumerian specific – pre-Babylonian tablets – have no mention of Marduk, who is given so much attention later on. This changes in Babylonian times when Marduk brings light to Enki and the magick and scientific knowledge – because that is what Enki represented. Whereas Enlil was more about ‘order’, the function of government or universal systems and the original hierarchies and so forth.

Royce Holleman: Sorry to interrupt you.

Joshua: Yeah?

Royce: I thought I would mention we have a question from the chat-room.

Joshua: Okay.

Royce: I thought I would also take the opportunity to let everyone know that your website address is www dot necrogate dot com (forward slash wp forward slash). He’s also got twenty or thirty books available, many of which we have scrolling on our page. But, moving onto the question in the chat-room: James was asking, because he was curious, about what your ‘religion’ or ‘spirituality’ is. Since you seem to be so well versed in so many, he was curious if it could be narrowed down to anything in particular.

(32:30)

Joshua: Ah… That’s… That would be… That is a difficult question to actually answer. Unfortunately, being so well versed, and like you’ve described, it has required me taking a step back or out of adhering to a specific faction or sect.

As I said, I was raised Catholic, and it’s not that I would stay I am still Catholic, but I guess I’ve tried to remain outside of a specific paradigm of things. As I mentioned, I went from that to being initiated into Druidism. But, even saying that, it doesn’t mean I adopted this specific cultural Celtic paradigm of interpreting the world. What it did for me is, I guess, what a lot of people call ‘Gnosticism’? And what it did was open the doors to understanding ‘true knowledge’ and a higher wisdom directly rather than looking to an empirical source.

The organization that I run is called the Mardukites. That is tied into Babylon and the literary tradition that started there. But, even in saying that, to call Mardukites a religion or to say its my religion – well, it’s easy to do because it seems to fit that description or that way of understanding the world of religion, but it’s not necessarily based on, for example, a religious devotion toward Marduk. . .

Catch the complete transcript in the February 2012 issue of New Babylon Rising!

New Babylon Rising: Anunnaki, Alien Gods & Spiritual Traditions
A Modern Mardukite Monthly Magazine Book Literary Journal: Issue #2, February 2012
* Secrets of the Anunnaki Sky Gods Revealed on Sumerian Tablets,
* Delomelanicon: The True Story of the Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows,
* Ancient Aliens Theory: What has science in an uproar?,
* Merlyn’s School of Magick & Wizardry continues! Lesson Two inside!


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Anunnaki Cuneiform Tablets, Sumerian Religion & Babylon | Joshua Free interview PART VI

Wednesday, December 14th, 2011

This is “Part 6″ of a a transcription series based on the dialogue from the live interview with Joshua Free conducted on Paranormal Palace Radio as hosted by Royce Holleman on November 15, 2011.

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Sumerian Anunnaki, Cuneiform Tablets & Ancient Aliens Theory
with Joshua Free
PART VI

(25:00)

Joshua Free (continued): …most people’s understanding even today of Mesopotamia, Babylon, or Egypt for that matter – its interpreted usually through the traditional biblical perspective, and usually in a ‘negative’ light. But more importantly, the cuneiform writing system is what really changed everything…

Royce: That’s what Zecharia Sitchin said.

Joshua: Well, yeah, it really did. It was the original, actual writing system. I mean, people have been painting on walls and trying to be artistic for some time, but in the way that I had just described it in terms of semantics and comprehension and meaning, this was revolutionary.

What it also enabled them to do was actually manipulate the meanings of things – and this is something now that has happened since the inception of writing and this is how history has changed, this is how news is altered, but it is basically getting people to think in terms of language. The people who have been existing prior to that, before occupying cities and were hunter-gatherer types – they were seeing reality in a way we different than what we could today because we see reality based on our language and our understanding of ‘things’.

Especially in the ‘western world’ we are likely to give a kid a picture dictionary. You know, “A is for Apple”, here is an ‘apple’, here is the letter ‘A’, here is the word “apple”. And we continue from that kind of set program – we continue to observe and take on ‘meaning’ of our world as we mature through our childhood and age. And it is not until we come across something that we do not previously have a ‘folder-file’ for that we are led to ‘question’ again, or we try to fit it into one of our other preexisting or prearranged ways of looking at something, one of our other folders: ‘well this is just that’. Or if it is really that anomalous to us, then it does not compute at all, it does not exist, we just kind of let it alone.

In Mesopotamia, in ancient times, this writing system, it enabled for the first time, for ‘history’ to be brought into ‘language’. Rather than an oral tradition or people having to be focused on survival; if you can get along in the world and gather enough food and stay close enough to the fire, you’ll be just fine.

Well, civilization brought an enabling of more than mere survival that before, they didn’t have time for. The Ice Age had now receded, it was warmed up, people were able to take an interest in fashion and the development of cultures and the arts. All of these things were also tied into the religious systems. And we talk about “religion” today and its hum-drum, everyone has their own religion and yada-yada and we try to be accepting of it. In ancient times, religion was an ‘institution’, it wasn’t just a matter of ‘well everyone believes their own thing and we’ll just get along’, these temples were built toward specific deities or Sky Gods or Anunnaki that made their presence, that had stationed themselves there.

And so everyone of that city or part of the tradition would angle more of their prayers and attention and their focus, which way they stood when they prayed and such, toward that. And there you have the inception of religion.

(29:30)

It is interesting to interpret things now in terms of ‘monotheism’, because even in Babylon when that was attempted it was not truly ‘monotheism’. One of the younger generation of Anunnaki [Marduk], it was his time to rule – because this was all cyclical with them, based on what we would call the ‘zodiacal ages’ – but the time of Aries came and it was his time to rule. All of the politics and drama involved with the Anunnaki kept this from happening.

In spite of them, and our recollection of them as ‘gods’, they in themselves, the tablets report, that they had feuds among themselves regarding how things should be; decisions on how to deal with humanity and so forth. So, in the case of Babylon, you have the home of the first writing system. Marduk, who is the son of Enki, who is the son of Anu, and in most conventional Sumerian religion, Enki’s brother Enlil basically viewed as supreme by the Enlilites. It is the sons and daughters of Enlil that are given all of the attention. . .

Catch the complete transcript in the February 2012 issue of New Babylon Rising!

New Babylon Rising: Anunnaki, Alien Gods & Spiritual Traditions
A Modern Mardukite Monthly Magazine Book Literary Journal: Issue #2, February 2012
* Secrets of the Anunnaki Sky Gods Revealed on Sumerian Tablets,
* Delomelanicon: The True Story of the Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows,
* Ancient Aliens Theory: What has science in an uproar?,
* Merlyn’s School of Magick & Wizardry continues! Lesson Two inside!

Catch the November 2009 interview with Joshua Free in Portland, OR, with Mike Schultz on YouTube.

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Sumerian Tablets, Babylonian Magic & The Anunnaki | Joshua Free interview PART V

Monday, December 12th, 2011

This is “Part 5″ of a a transcription series based on the dialogue from the live interview with Joshua Free conducted on Paranormal Palace Radio as hosted by Royce Holleman on November 15, 2011.

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Anunnaki, Sumerian Religion & Ancient Aliens (Astronaut) Theory
with Joshua Free
PART V

(19:00)

Joshua Free (continued): …to bring this out to people in a very cohesive way, a way that is acceptable, that will be understood, that doesn’t require joining some faction or being initiated into an organization, membership fees and title-ranks and all of that. This is just a part of everyday life and the people I have worked with for the last several years, this is how it is for them. It’s not like we go about this everyday and then go ‘home’; this is pretty much what we are occupied with 24/7. And that is why, when people give me the ‘so, what’ look, it’s like, I’m clearly still missing reaching that understanding with people of how important this is to the reality they wake up to everyday.

(21:00)

It affects – whatever it is they believe about where they came from an why the systems and governments and religious factions are the way they are – it does affect how they interact with reality. It seems kind of hum-drum; it seems like its just this ‘added’ element; where we work and we play and we have family and we deal with our spirituality almost like an afterthought. But, psychologically it is how we interpret our world all the time.

A person who believes they were created out of sin and that its basically the main context of their existence, it will affect their world-view. This is the same with any religious or other belief or dogma. For example, the belief in the devil. How one interprets that in their life, it does affect how they go about their life. Do they feel like they are in danger of being manipulated by an ‘evil’ force? Someone who does believe that is going to behave and think and interact a certain way even if it is not their salient or surface thought at that moment.

(23:00)

Just like ‘language’, which also, language and writing really originated in Mesopotamia – that can affect people as well, interpreting the world through a specific set of eyes in language or culture. This is something that changes dramatically, when we move away from a civilization or culture that is dependent on ‘picture-writing’. Yes, they are putting something down, but it is not a literary tradition. An eagle is basically represented by a picture of an eagle and so forth. It is when it changes into language and writing, all of the words take on meaning and context for them to apply as a language – for a person to use it and another person to actually receive it and comprehend its meaning and have it be the same.

This is actually a bigger shift, or advancement or evolution in the progress of humanity then people tend to give it credit for. It’s overlooked. It’s taken for granted. In elementary school we are given this perspective that we have the Egyptians and they made these hieroglyphics on this wall and then you have the Greek language and so forth. Unfortunately, it’s the ‘classical’ periods that they are most indoctrinated into as being the origins of things.

(25:00)

Most people’s understanding even today of Mesopotamia, Babylon, or Egypt for that matter – its interpreted usually through the traditional biblical perspective, and usually in a ‘negative’ light. But more importantly, the cuneiform writing system is what really changed everything…

Catch the complete transcript in the February 2012 issue of New Babylon Rising!

New Babylon Rising: Anunnaki, Alien Gods & Spiritual Traditions
A Modern Mardukite Monthly Magazine Book Literary Journal: Issue #2, February 2012
* Secrets of the Anunnaki Sky Gods Revealed on Sumerian Tablets,
* Delomelanicon: The True Story of the Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows,
* Ancient Aliens Theory: What has science in an uproar?,
* Merlyn’s School of Magick & Wizardry continues! Lesson Two inside!

Catch the November 2009 interview with Joshua Free in Portland, OR, with Mike Schultz on YouTube.

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